Agenda and minutes

Special Budget Meeting, Overview and Scrutiny Committee
Wednesday, 30th January, 2019 10.15 am

Venue: Authority Chamber - No.1 Mann Island, Liverpool, L3 1BP

Contact: Charles Yankiah 

No. Item


Apologies for Absence


Apologies for absence were received from Councillors Kevan Wainwright, Patrick Hurley, Mary Rasmussen, Jeanette Banks, Joe De Asha, Jimmy Jackson and Sir Ron Watson.


Declarations of Interest


There were no declarations of interest.


Minutes of the Previous Meeting of the Overview and Scrutiny Committee pdf icon PDF 177 KB

To consider the minutes of the previous meeting of the Overview and Scrutiny Committee held on 5th December 2018.


NOTED that the minutes of the previous meeting of the LCR Overview and Scrutiny Committee held on 5th December 2018 were considered to be a correct record and that they would need to be formally approved at the next quorate meeting of the Overview and Scrutiny Meeting.


Mayoral Combined Authority Budget Setting Report 2019/20 pdf icon PDF 1 MB

To consider the report of the Director of Corporate Services which sets out the budget proposals for 2019/20 to be agreed by the Combined Authority.


The Overview and Scrutiny Committee are to consider the budget proposals and make recommendations to the Metro Mayor and the Liverpool City Region Combined Authority in respect of the Budget Proposals for 2019/20.


The inquorate meeting of the Overview and Scrutiny Committee considered the LCRCA Budget for 2019/20 presented by the Metro Mayor, Steve Rotheram and the Director of Corporate Services, John Fogarty.


The Metro Mayor Steve Rotheram provided an introduction and some background to the Budget for 2019/20 to the meeting.


Chris Tidswell (CIPFA) provided the meeting with some context in relation to the options and funding that were available and how CIPFA considered the information provided by the LCRCA, the Metro Mayor and the constituent Councils relating to the Mayoral Precept and provided the recommendations.


The Director of Corporate Services, John Fogarty presented the LCRCA Budget 2019/20 to the meeting and highlighted the following: -


·         Expenditure and Income

·         Transport Costs

·         The Transport Levy

·         Mayoral Costs and the CA Costs

·         LCRCA Management Structure

·         Other CA Costs

·         Capital Programme

·         SIF Awards


The Metro Mayor, Steve Rotheram then concluded the presentations and invited questions from members of the meeting.


Members enquired and challenged the following areas relating to the LCRCA Budget for 2019/20: -


Mayoral Precept

·         Would the precept be increased next year or year on year;

·         How would households cope with additional increases expected with the Police, Fire and Waste precepts as well; and

·          What costs does the Mayoral Precept cover/include.


Mersey Tunnel Tolls

·         The impact on working people in the Liverpool City Region, who do not live in the Liverpool City Region, but work here and should not be allowed to pay the £1.80, but benefit from the £1 Fast Tag; and

·         Cost of the Fast Tag.


Liverpool City Region Combined Authority 

·         Clarification on the number of new posts established for the Combined Authority;

·         Clarification on the imbalance between corporate costs and communication costs;

·         Clarification on the use of Gainshare for 2019/20 and would it be repeated in 2020/21;

·         The budget lacked clarity on the overall budget spend and non-mayoral budget;

·         The inconsistency in the information presented in the report relating to the tables and timescales of three and four years;

·         Was the structure fit for purpose to manage a possible £1.2b programme;

·         What’s the timetable for delivery of the proposed projects and programmes;

·         Would the budget eventually be reduced year on year based upon the proposed projects and programmes being delivered within the agreed timescales;

·         Clarification on what the Capacity Grant is and being used for;

·         The total costs of everything should be shown more clearly within the report in future;

·         What percentage of the reserves had been used for the LCRCA budget costs; and

·         Clarification on the Revenue Budget costs.



·         What is the actual Rolling Stock costs;

·         Clarification on the use of the reserves;

·         How much of the reserves were being used for Rolling Stock; and

·         Clarification on the shared services and staff between the CA and Merseytravel.



·         Clarification on the balance between the running costs and the number of projects being proposed; and

·         Clarification on the expected revenue to capital baseline costs for programmes.


The Chair, Councillor Cashman thanked the Metro Mayor and John Fogarty and the  ...  view the full minutes text for item 4.


Date of Next Meeting

The date of the next meeting of the Overview and Scrutiny Committee will be held on Wednesday 6th March 2019.


The Committee noted that next meeting of the Overview and Scrutiny Committee would be held on Wednesday 6 March 2019.





Any Other Item(s) Which the Chairperson Deems to be of an Urgent Nature


There was no other business.